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Beitragvon mbberlin » 3/11/2007, 12:06

I think a restauration of this plane only makes sense when it is be done by specialists. Otherwise there will be more damages than before. And first it is a essential decision if it should be rebuild as a static display or to bring it in a flyable condition again.

The question is: What is the profit for Libya to invest a lot of money in it?
They will surely not generate muxh more tourism with it.

And maybe it makes more sense to give or sell it to a aviation museum with much more special interest visitors.
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Beitragvon Kuno » 3/11/2007, 12:17

I personally would not see an actual restoration but only a display showing -as far as possible- the situation of the plane as it has been found in the desert in 1959.

For the LBG I do not consider the plane itself as the most important but the dramatic story about it and its crew.

What is the benefit for Libya? There would be a need of a high amount of money to arrange the wreckage in a better way and to place some plates for the visitor presentig the history around that plane. I would not ask for profit for that project - it should simply present a sad but interesting story and not be a source of an income.
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Beitragvon mbberlin » 3/11/2007, 12:35

I think, every modification or moving of this parts will bring more damages, if it's not done by specialists, who knew, how to handle it in the right way. And I don't think there are a lot of those guys running araounf in Libya. I think the wreck has gotten a lot of additional damages during the transportation...

What's about finding a sponsor? There are a lot of museums in the US with a couple of money? They would be the first I would ask for some cash.
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Beitragvon Kuno » 3/11/2007, 12:38

...as it looks now, I cannot imagine more damage :-( - except if it would be just pushed by a bulldozer :-( :-( :-(
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Beitragvon mbberlin » 3/11/2007, 12:39

Who is the owner of the wreck?
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Beitragvon Kuno » 3/11/2007, 12:41

No clue about the ownership or even about discussion about. Would say that Libya would claim it - how is this handled for example in Germany or Russia?
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Beitragvon mbberlin » 3/11/2007, 12:57

Bei Bodenfunden in Deutschland ist es z.B. so, dass der Staat das Areal zum Bodendenkmal erklären kann, sofern öffentliches Interesse vorliegt; damit sind also auch die Funde Eigentum des Staates, bzw. dann der zustandigen Museen etc. pp.

Bei der P-47 "Dottie Mae" aus Östereich z.B. ging das Wrack an das Bergungskonsortium; staatlicherseits lag kein Interesse vor und man wollte wohl auch die Kosten auch nicht am Hals haben.

Die FW-200 aus Norwegen ging auch ohne jegliche Ansprüche an das Technikmuseum Berlin.

Wie es in Russland ist, weiss ich nicht; nur dass dort reger Handel mit solchen Sachen betrieben wird. Es ist dort auch "Mode", Soldatengräber zu plündern, um an Militaria zu kommen.

Die DB-Motoren, die ich mal in die USA vermittelt habe, gingen als Schrott über die Grenze, weil keiner den Wert erkannt hat. Ansonsten halten die Zöllner einfach nur die Hände auf. :-)
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Beitragvon Kuno » 3/11/2007, 13:02

@ mbberlin; thanks for your explantion. May I ask you to write in english in this post since I have addressed the subject as well to several other fora discussing WW2 in that area and also to several websites dedicated to the LBG?

I will try to locate as the Libyan professor working for the Dept. of Antiquities to ask him his opinion about the planes future respectively the possibilities he might see.
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Beitragvon AlAghrab » 3/11/2007, 13:05

I suspect if this aircraft were sold on the open market, it would fetch a *very* large amount of money - there are individual collectors and museums out there with the resources (particularly in USA ) who would strip it to the last nut and bolt to restore it ... most especially as this is a such a famous aircraft that has a unique history....

I'm sure that if there was serious financial interest shown then things would start to happen... and arguments about who owns it etc would inevitably ensue... but it could end up like New Guinea where there were many restorable warbird wrecks that have now disintegrated beyond the point of no return due to local bureaucratic wrangling over them
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Beitragvon Kuno » 3/11/2007, 13:12

I see that particular plane not as a subject for restauration at all. Too much is missing and at the end - if it would be brought back to flying condition it would just be one B.24. I think that the value of the plane is to be a monument of the story it was involved.
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Beitragvon neil » 3/11/2007, 23:38

I say leave it in the desert, but sence thats done...

If they sell the LBG to the highest bidder, the LBG will be taken care of, and, the muesum will be able to take care of the rest of the relics and artifacts in it's care with the funds. I agree it will sell for a LOT to an American or European Warbird Collector.

The question, is who would get all the money from the sale?

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Beitragvon Gast » 3/11/2007, 23:58

I must really ask, why the question is now, where the LBG shall be brought to and who would get the money?

The best would be, if the wreckage would have been left, where it was - in the desert. But this was not possible since many visitors were not satisfied in taking a photo but had to remove a part of the plane.

What is the benefit, if the wreckage is brought -for example- to the stores of a rich collector? There are plenty of warbirds around the world which are preserved thanks to some rich people. Fine. But this plane has its special story. And this story begun and ended in Libya and therefore the only place for the LBG can be Libya and nowhere else.

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Beitragvon mbberlin » 4/11/2007, 00:10

It's better to have it in the hands of a good collector or better a museum than it is laying around like trash.

Every plane, every tank and every soldier had a speciel story...
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Beitragvon AlAghrab » 4/11/2007, 00:13

It would be fitting to preserve it in the state it was found in IMHO but I guess it would by now have been destroyed had it been left unguarded where it was as the position was well known.
There were quite a lot of parts removed from LBG and taken away for testing in the 1960's by RAF/USAF - I think many parts of it are still about in various museums in US etc But rebuilt it certainly could be with enough $$ and time, I have seen recently wrecks of other similar ww2 bombers under restoration in worse shape than that (recovered from Norway Fijords etc) - of course what eventually happens is that you basically get a whole new aircraft out of it, not a lot of the original left at all.... but perhaps better that than for it to be left to fall to pieces and be lost forever.
There are other B24's about, including some airworthy - but this aircraft with its sad fate is something special.
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Beitragvon Kuno » 4/11/2007, 08:10

Every plane, every tank and every soldier had a speciel story...


Agree - but the, this one is "extra special" ;-)
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