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Beitragvon Kuno » 7/8/2006, 09:49

Question from Frants:

Question - I need information to my book about a DANE ( SS Vol.) who juint in a Special forcegrup, attacking 2 airports to secure Rommels way back. This was "kick and run" attack just before Rommel`s tropes came out to Tunis.
WHO can I contact in the forum ?

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Frants Jensen, Esbjerg, DK
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Beitragvon Kuno » 7/8/2006, 09:50

@ Frants

Do you have any further information about the subject; for example:

> Date?
> Names of Airports?
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Beitragvon Mephistopheles » 7/8/2006, 18:58

Hello Frants,

are the big men still sitting. *g*

Good Question. Could it be that they were in the Brandenburger Division?
Could you give us more information?

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Beitragvon fezzo1 » 9/8/2006, 11:57

Hello.

attacking 2 airports to secure Rommels way back.


I think on this occassion the airports were La Marsa and El Aouina near Tunis ?
They were attacked by Oberst Harlinghausen and a handful soldiers of mixed units on Nov.09.1942.

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Beitragvon Frants » 4/9/2006, 13:22

Sorry for late reply.
Thks for trying to give info. Spc. Jan-I have tryed v hard to fix date or some names, but impossible, Vet. explane to me, it was short time only this attack then back to unit. My estimation was april 43 or sep-oct 43 - as he was fighting in Demjansk june 42, winter 42/43 im W.Luki, Russia. Because of wonted he came to Lazaret and from here to Sondereinsatz. He claims it was just before Rommels trops was taken out of Africa - understood as laste days to secure Rommels way back to seaport. No documents/pictures from this period in my file of Jens "Lyn". Know he had mention Brandenburg Units and also Kradsch. Rgt. Thule has been mentioned. Where I can find more about La Marsa / El Aouina attack ?
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Beitragvon fezzo1 » 4/9/2006, 16:09

Hello Frants.

El Aouina has been a topic before:
El Aouina

The books,I named, I have only seen in German.

About Krad.Sch.Rgt. "Thule" I´ve found only one note:

The SS-Division "Totenkopf" was in Demjansk in 1941/42.On Nov.09.1942 she was reformed as SS-Grenadier-Division "Totenkopf" and on Dec.21.1943 reformed as 3.SS-Panzer-Division "Totenkopf".The 3. Regiment was named "Thule",only the one Regiment with this name I´ve found.

3.SS-Pz.Gren.Rgt. Link

There are also books and an adress from a veterans organistion from 3.SS-Pz.Div."Totenkopf"

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Jan

p.s. Sorry,but the Links are in German :cry:
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Beitragvon fezzo1 » 5/9/2006, 13:28

Hi Frants.

I´ve found another tip about Thule:

"Thule war die Name für das SS-Inf.Rgt.9. Dieses Rgt. hat zuerst an der Nordfront mit dem Geb.Korps Norwegen gekämpft und dann im Winter 1941/42 an der Wolchow und Leningrad Front. Das Regiment hat in dieser Zeit sehr hohe Verluste und hat für sein Einsatz die Ehrentitel "Thule" bekommen. In dieser Zeit (1942) ist es auch in der SS-Totenkopf Division integriert. So enstand aus dem Resten dieses Rgt. und aus dem Totenkopf Kradschützen Bataillon das SS-Kradschützenregiment "Thule" (wie bei SS-Pz.Gren.Div. "Das Reich" das SS-Kradschützenregiment "Langemarck"). Das Regiment war vor der Operation Zitadelle aufgelöst."

The following translation is from me:

"Thule was the name for the SS-Inf.Reg.9. - This Rgt. fighted first at the Northern Front with the Geb.Korps Norway and then in winter 1941/42 at the Wolchow and Leningrad Front. At this time the regiment had many losses and got for the mission the title of honor "Thule". At this time (1942) it was also integrated in the SS-Totenkopf Division. From the rest of this Rgt. and from the Kradschützen Bataillon the SS-Kradschützenregiment "Thule" was formed (like SS-Pz.Gren.Div. "Das Reich" the SS-Kradschützenregiment "Langemarck"). The regiment was disbanded before Operation Zitadelle."

I´ve borrowed the text from www.forum-der-wehrmacht.de


complet topic

There are also copies of original documents with some names.


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Jan
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Beitragvon Frants » 18/9/2006, 13:23

To info - I manage also German very well. Have been looking up my files for more info. 1/about Rgt. Thule/T-Div. I know all this info - but one unit from this Rgt. was soppose to go to Africa (give me time I have to look up where I have info). Quite a few danes was in T-Div., Thule stil 4-5 are alive. Is anyone secialised in T-Div./AA (I have apx. 100 original photo).
About Africa: it must have been 1943, april-may, names as Susa, Kaipouan, Gabes, Flugp. Thelepte or/and Bizerta ? I am not sure which connection thise was mentioned during my talk with veteran. Found only one Foto . Herbert Moyen mention on the back. From where ? perhaps only a frend om him. Some info must exist about 2 Airports which was attacked to secure Rommels way back to Tunis april-may. Try to enclose Foto. Frants. Look f y comments.
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Beitragvon Kuno » 18/9/2006, 13:31

Susa, Kaipouan, Gabes


"Susa" = SOUSSE
"Kaipouan" would mean KAIROUAN
"Gabes" is Gabes

All cities in Tunisia. In matters of locations or names of airports I might be able to help a little bit...
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Beitragvon Frants » 18/9/2006, 14:56

Please do- however I don ot have further names/locations.
What about foto - possible to tell where he was ?
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Beitragvon Kuno » 18/9/2006, 15:00

I was in TUNISIA several times but I am not that familiar with the places there; let us try it. Post some pics and we may find out which place it shows.
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Beitragvon Frants » 18/9/2006, 15:16

Misunderstanding. I only have this one picture of man in uniform. Perhaps someone can recornice name / locate unit based on insigne-uniform. FJ
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Beitragvon Kuno » 19/9/2006, 19:07

From fezzo1:

Hallo Kuno.

Ich habe jetzt mal das Ktb des OKW gewälzt.

Außer des schon seit Juni 1942 in Tunesien befindlichen SS-Sonder-Einsatz-Kommando Tunis unter Rauff findet sich dort der einzige Hinweis auf SS-Einheiten in einem Eintrag vom 18.März 1943:
"Das OKW teilt dem OB-Süd den Befehl des Führers mit,das die "Sturmbrigade XI" sofort nach Eintreffen im Einvernehmen mit dem Cdo. Supremo nach Sardinien überführt werden soll.Ihr wird die 14.Kompanie des "Sonderverbandes Brandenburg" unterstellt,die durch Ausl.Abw.baldmöglichst nach Livorno zugeführt werden soll."
Die Überführung sollte vom 29.03.-20.04.1943 stattfinden.
Bis zum 12.04. wird dieser Verband nirgendwo mehr erwähnt.



KTB OKW gives the following information:

Except the SS Sondereinsatzkommando TUNIS under Mr. Rauff which was in TUNISIA since June 1942, the only thing mentioned about SS Units is the following entry of 18. March 1943:

"OKW informs to OB Süd the Order of the Führer that "Sturmbrigade Xl" shall immediately after arrival and with confirmation of Cdo. supremo be transferred to SARDINIA. 14. Company of "Sonderverband Brandenburg" shall be subordinated to it. That company will be transfered from LIVORNO (to SARDINIA ?). The transfer shall take place between 29.3. and 20.4.1943."

After 12. 4. this "Verband" is not mentioned any more
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Beitragvon Frants » 20/9/2006, 08:11

I think y found it. Do y think anyone can find more about this unit/happening ! I will keep y inforemd if I find out more.
Pls explane -what/where is " Cdo. supremo" ?
Know something "bad" happend duing this attack-veteran claimed that they would have been militarycourt if Rommel own trups would have caught them. So what have this Sonderkdo./Verband don ?
This Einsatz was not mentioned in his Solbuch or other documents.
Can y explane about my picture.
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Beitragvon fezzo1 » 20/9/2006, 09:09

hi Frants

" Cdo. supremo" Commando Supremo was the italian general-headquarter like the german OKW (Oberkommando der Wehrmacht)

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